tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post1249492883620758631..comments2023-10-31T05:07:19.353-04:00Comments on Delenda est Carthago: Metaphysical CynicismDr. Φhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14086783503820477029noreply@blogger.comBlogger98125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-64607950678121400602010-04-20T13:54:56.088-04:002010-04-20T13:54:56.088-04:00you are so right, trumwill. re
''I am me...you are so right, trumwill. re<br /><br /> ''I am merely saying that the media can't do its job if no one trusts the media enough to talk to it. That doesn't mean that your source should talk to the media. Just that it's tough to expect them to get the story when no one is willing to give it to them.''<br /><br />We are now entering the difficult stages. I told the reporter the balls in your court now, try to confirm what i told you, via my sources, if you can confirm, you got a story, print it, if cannot confirm yet, just wait....there is no hurry..the trial will take a long time.....the truth will out soon...maybe tomorrow....my middle name is "patience" -- that's how i got into this business in the first place.....truth always take time.....taiwan77https://www.blogger.com/profile/03772680391560547991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-51316993851566516112010-04-20T13:51:08.855-04:002010-04-20T13:51:08.855-04:00Dan, to be clear I am not saying that I should bet...Dan, to be clear I am not saying that I should betray your sources. I am merely saying that the media can't do its job if no one trusts the media enough to talk to it. That doesn't mean that your source <i>should</i> talk to the media. Just that it's tough to expect them to get the story when no one is willing to give it to them.trumwillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156143676616919381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-37418410460951016472010-04-20T13:31:31.811-04:002010-04-20T13:31:31.811-04:00Danny......., my sources told me......a teacher .....Danny......., my sources told me......a teacher ......in South Hadley .......said that he/she/and everyone there in the teacher community there ''knows'' that Phoebe had tried 8 times while living in Ireland to kill herself and that beyond cutting, .........Phoebe had 1 week prior to her 2nd suicide attempt in Mass (the 2nd was her final on 1/14) ........she had showed up to school covered in cigarette burns........<br />Supposedly the school had contacted the mother numerous times to get Phoebe professional help and they supposedly also contacted DSS to get help....... <br />Phoebe should have been protected by the school.......... I would just hate the think that the school failed her,....... her mother failed her and DSS didn't do it's job either..........<br />You can use this information in your blog,...... but you cannot use my name please ......or it will hurt my friend immensely as she/he told me in trust ... the same that I tell you........<br />Poor Phoebe.....was she perhaps mentally ill? .....I am fairly certain that she was molested ......and I believe it was long term and that it was possibly incestual. ......Were the parents in denial? ......or were they protecting the abuser out of fear of hurting the family?......<br />.....did anyone protect this girl from her own self?......<br />All the more reason I will go to great lengths for her. .......DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-70950295091556715522010-04-20T13:17:20.032-04:002010-04-20T13:17:20.032-04:00''The problem for them is going to be that...''The problem for them is going to be that they are going to have to try to find somebody that's willing to do what your contact is not''. <br /><br />i got time. we all got time. let the media confirm what i have laid out for them to confirm based on my sources.....this is the ''new journalism''...my sources trust me more than media....and as water boy to media, i trust everyone..... here is inside skinny: My sources told me: <br /><br />"Just please never reveal your source no matter what. Even if there was monetrary gains for me, I am not interested in my identity being known for that leak of information. No worries though, I do trust you!<br />Keep me posted." <br /><br />See? Real people who really care about truth and justice. I will never reveal his.her.their names.DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-24215512990061866382010-04-20T13:11:32.296-04:002010-04-20T13:11:32.296-04:00The problem for them is going to be that they are ...The problem for them is going to be that they are going to have to try to find somebody that's willing to do what your contact is not. That may not be possible even if your story is entirely accurate (and I'm not saying it's not - as I've said pretty regular I find mental problems on her part to be quite possible).trumwillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156143676616919381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-22110223898104149772010-04-20T13:00:26.129-04:002010-04-20T13:00:26.129-04:00''When you contacted TDR, did you offer to...''When you contacted TDR, did you offer to put Drudge (or whoever) in touch with your sources?''<br /><br />Good question, sir! No, I cannot divlge my source nor will i ever divulge his/her name. But i know they told me truth. They are on the side of angels. I know it. What i told Drudge and the top natl reporter i jsut spoke with on phone from my cave in Taiwan here is this: i cannot tell you name of sources. your job is to go out and to some legwork, and confirm what my blog says, i will wait patiently. No hurry. PP is dead. I am in no rush. But i sure this is way to go. My sources would not lie to me. The papers can confirm this it's easy. Just ask lawyers and principal and police chief. They know. Easy as pie. Thanks to this chat room here for giving me support when most of the blogosphere told me to eff off. SIGHDANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-2334412228099281692010-04-20T12:56:24.520-04:002010-04-20T12:56:24.520-04:00http://zippy1300.blogspot.com/2010/04/phoebe-princ...http://zippy1300.blogspot.com/2010/04/phoebe-prince-attempted-suicide-8-times.html<br /><br />just got off phone with national reporter, confirming now. soon.<br /><br />Phoebe Prince attempted suicide 8 times previously to Jan. 14 suicide -- sources say, media trying to confirm now <br />See blog post below for details. Just got a call from a top national reporter covering this sad story and this reporter is now going to try to confirm what my sources told me. I hope I am wrong. God, I hope I am wrong here. But watch. Drudge is primed to deliver front page tomorrow on this, as is national media. If true, and I cannot confirm that what my sources told me is true, but I trust them as they obviously trust me, the case will be blown out of the water sky high! Shocking developments, as they say. Still, the bullies must be held accountable, and justice must prevail. I am on the side of the angels here, and I believe that Phoebe, for all her shortcomings, was an angel, too. To teach us empathy and compassion.<br /><br />Deliver the goods, national media. I am merely the water boy here.DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-77722342821232257162010-04-20T12:50:27.549-04:002010-04-20T12:50:27.549-04:00Dan, I find it unlikely that even The Drudge Repor...Dan, I find it unlikely that even The Drudge Report (much less a mainstream news organization) will run a story from someone they don't know of citing unnamed sources. It's third-hand without any knowledge of what the source is in a position to actually know. When you contacted TDR, did you offer to put Drudge (or whoever) in touch with your sources?trumwillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156143676616919381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-86497792064263435012010-04-20T11:48:01.805-04:002010-04-20T11:48:01.805-04:00trumwill, it's NOT on Drudge Report yet. I am ...trumwill, it's NOT on Drudge Report yet. I am predicting that it will be as soon as he reads the email i sent him......it's on the NYTimes site too now....i have emailed this shocker, from a very reliable source, to 100 media outlets just now. it's up to them now to investigate and confirm the sources quotes to me. they are not going to believe or trust a loose cannon like me, and that's okay. My job was just to be a water boy here, carrying the truth to the media. they will confirm my quotes, watch, it will be in the news nationwide one day from now.....developing...Boston Globe and Boston Herald reporters also know this now...it's up to them to report and confirm quotes....my work is done here....over and out....Sad day in reporterville!DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-36149487194593847042010-04-20T11:43:25.313-04:002010-04-20T11:43:25.313-04:00Dan, I can't find it on the Drudge Report. Do ...Dan, I can't find it on the Drudge Report. Do you have a link (other than to your blog?)trumwillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156143676616919381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-47642035060119932912010-04-20T11:24:45.565-04:002010-04-20T11:24:45.565-04:00Shocker: Drudge report:
http://zippy1300.blogspo...Shocker: Drudge report: <br /><br />http://zippy1300.blogspot.com/2010/04/shocker-drudge-report-phoebe-prince.html<br /><br />Phoebe Prince made 9 earlier suicide attempts in Ireland, bullying case takes new turn <br />Sources within the South Hadley education community now tell this blog that Phoebe Prince had tried 8 times while living in Ireland to kill herself...... and that beyond the cutting incidents, Phoebe had 1 week prior to her 2nd suicide attempt in Massachuseets (the 2nd was her final one on 1/14) she had showed up to school covered in cigarette burns. <br /><br />Supposedly the school had contacted the mother numerous times to get Phoebe professional help and they supposedly also contacted DSS to get help....... The <br />sources can be trusted. National wire services AP and Reuters and New York Times will dish the news tomorrow. Developing... <br /><br />Poor Phoebe.....was she perhaps mentally ill? Observerse are now fairly certain that she was molested and believe it was long term and that it was possibly incestual. <br /><br />Were the parents in denial? or were they protecting the abuser out of fear of hurting the family?<br /><br />did anyone protect this girl from her own self?DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-63631292851025315362010-04-19T13:31:47.733-04:002010-04-19T13:31:47.733-04:00I have to disagree with you there. Friends can be ...I have to disagree with you there. Friends can be friends even if they don't always "have your back". It was kind of a mutually understood thing among my friends that we stayed the hell out of their conflicts when they were outmatched. The alternative was to merely become another target. That might be a worthwhile price to pay... except that it wouldn't actually accomplish anything.<br /><br />But I wouldn't say they are worthless. I don't know how I would have made it though junior high without them!<br /><br />Incidentally, by the 8th grade I had "friends" that were far more useful. Feared if not popular. They afforded me a bit of protection in return for homework answers and help. Those are the ones I would put the quotes around, though they were in the end very helpful. Fewer people wanted to mess with me knowing that I knew them.<br /><br />It's one of the reasons why the "she did something immoral to become more popular" doesn't hold much weight for me. So did I. The main difference is that my efforts were moderately successful.trumwillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156143676616919381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-4272563078269799302010-04-19T13:07:34.302-04:002010-04-19T13:07:34.302-04:00"It seems likely that while she had friends, ..."It seems likely that while she had friends, they were lower down the pecking order and socially weak. Friends in the lower echelons tend not to take bullets for other friends."<br /><br />Well, right, that was my point and why I put quotes around "friends." Friends are really supposed to be allies. If they can't afford to fight on your side, they're worse than useless.<br /><br />There was a picture of Phoebe and one female "friend" in the People article. Not trying to be catty here, but ... let's just say the "friend" did NOT look like someone the captain of the football team would hook up with.<br /><br />And "friends" in that position are unlikely to feel much sympathy for someone in Phoebe's position, for obvious reasons.Sheila Tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02353632937706232702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-80594259582059180022010-04-19T13:03:19.877-04:002010-04-19T13:03:19.877-04:00Hey, does anyone know why her family moved to the ...Hey, does anyone know why her family moved to the States? I suspect financial troubles caused the need to live near other family, but I can't remember where I got that idea.Sheila Tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02353632937706232702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-8741042393881213312010-04-19T13:02:16.799-04:002010-04-19T13:02:16.799-04:00Sheila,
The media has made reference to some frie...Sheila,<br /><br />The media has made reference to some friends. Her cotillion date, Sergio Loubriel has made some comments to the press. I also read somewhere that some friends helped escort her home some day(s) because of concerns for her safety. It seems likely that while she had friends, they were lower down the pecking order and socially weak. Friends in the lower echelons tend not to take bullets for other friends. Everybody understands this and no one takes offense.<br /><br />What were they going to do, anyway? Tell administrators? Some reports suggest that they might have. Even if they didn't, though, it would be because they knew it would not improve Phoebe's situation. They didn't tell administrators for the same reason that Phoebe didn't and for the same reason that I didn't go to administrators about the kids that picked on me.trumwillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156143676616919381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-1271267080469699562010-04-19T12:56:14.822-04:002010-04-19T12:56:14.822-04:00"I look forward to either the NYT or the Glob..."I look forward to either the NYT or the Globe breaking the media blackout of the circumstances that lead up to the bullying."<br /><br />I don't think it's a media blackout. I think they don't have any more facts. That's because they don't have sources. If she'd had friends, they'd have sources.<br /><br />People Magazine had an article this week on the cover, which I bought (hangs head in shame). They found a couple anonymous "friends" who didn't really have much to offer.Sheila Tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02353632937706232702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-87457857647206820672010-04-19T12:44:22.303-04:002010-04-19T12:44:22.303-04:00another guy view:
Mickey says:
''This ta...another guy view:<br /><br />Mickey says:<br /><br />''This tacit acceptance of personal responsibility is truly disturbing. Ultimately Phoebe Prince was responsible for hanging herself. No one else. No one put a gun to her head. No one tied a rope. Her responsibility pure and simple.<br /><br />The fact that she was mentally unbalanced puts her family and friends second in line in responsibility? Why didn’t they see the signs? Why didn’t they do anything?<br /><br />All this other crap that people are throwing into the situation, alleged bullies, school officials allegedly doing nothing to stop it, is all just that: Crap.<br /><br />Sadly, a rogue prosecutor with obvious emotional problems, with an an agenda of acting out those emotional problems on defendants, now seems hellbent on destroying the lives of a bunch of high school kids. Throw into the mix a bunch of actual bullies, people hellbent on lynching those kids, and you get a real disturbing story.<br /><br />It’s sad to see what has become of America. On 9/11 a handful of terrorists scratch the surface of the American psyche and out pops racism, perpetual wars, laws which strip Americans of liberties they’ve enjoyed for nearly 250 years - a quarter millenium.<br /><br />Now, some sad emotionally distraught teen, one of many, kills herself and the lynch mobs line up.<br /><br />America is truly sick.''DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-26643481615344736602010-04-19T12:29:04.922-04:002010-04-19T12:29:04.922-04:00"The latest bombshell: She was “a cutter”. Sh..."The latest bombshell: She was “a cutter”. She engaged in self-mutilation, a compulsive act performed to release emotional pain, anger, or anxiety. A severe mental disorder."<br /><br />Eh, I'm still not impressed. Tell me she was hospitalized for it, then I'll be impressed. Otherwise, it's a fad among the "emo" and otherwise unpopular. It's touted as a kind of free self-induced therapy.Sheila Tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02353632937706232702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-76480717505593193322010-04-19T12:25:14.502-04:002010-04-19T12:25:14.502-04:00"and dope, what role did weed play in hook up..."and dope, what role did weed play in hook ups? any other drugs?"<br /><br />Again, if they'd been drunk or stoned that would be average behavior at most high schools nowadays.<br /><br />"HOW DID she first meet the senior? where? who introduced them? theories?"<br /><br />I'd guess she probably got invited to an older kids' party because she was cute. She got there and the girls probably had nothing to do with her. But guys'll give you the time of day if you look good. So she ends up going off with some guy that maybe she was standing around a keg with. And she had no good friends, so no cock-blockers, and no spies to warn her that hey-he-has-a-girlfriend.<br /><br />Yeah, I doubt she ever "dated" either of those guys. I'll bet they got together in some kind of hazy free-for-all environment.Sheila Tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02353632937706232702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-23585746902815380182010-04-19T12:17:56.183-04:002010-04-19T12:17:56.183-04:00''Why do you think she wasn't interest...''Why do you think she wasn't interested in a relationship with those boys?''<br /><br />I don't think one way or the other on this. What i am concerned with is this: how did the relationship with senior stud muffin football star START? who initiated it? it does not make sense to me that a senior with a girlfriend who start "dating" a freshman, risking the wrath of his girl .......UNLESS.......DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-62293546704672216902010-04-19T12:12:43.163-04:002010-04-19T12:12:43.163-04:00"SHE WAS NOT INTERESTED IN ''DATING&#..."SHE WAS NOT INTERESTED IN ''DATING''. THIS IS DEEP."<br /><br />"...the Euro free love thing. In Ireland, it's cool. In S Hadley, for a new girl in town, no way."<br /><br />Why do you think she wasn't interested in a relationship with those boys?<br /><br />In my experience -- and I'm a lot older than Phoebe, so maybe it's expired -- white men in America do not turn on a woman for sleeping with them casually. The trouble begins when she expects something more. And if she'd just been a one-night-stand, the girlfriends wouldn't have cared much, for the same reason. The hostility is caused by the competition -- when she still expects some place in these guys' lives. <br /><br />The way relationships work nowadays, girls are *expected* to have intimate physical contact (maybe not actual intercourse) with guys right away. *Then* the relationship may develop, or may not. The girl is not supposed to complain if it doesn't develop.Sheila Tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02353632937706232702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-32869808154731972322010-04-19T12:09:11.541-04:002010-04-19T12:09:11.541-04:00and dope, what role did weed play in hook ups? any...and dope, what role did weed play in hook ups? any other drugs?DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-1931187163949002672010-04-19T12:08:14.015-04:002010-04-19T12:08:14.015-04:00good points, Sheila.
PS: she was a freshman not a...good points, Sheila.<br /><br />PS: she was a freshman not a sophomore...is SHadley HS a three year or four year school? i believe she was freshman, if 3 year school then she was technically 1st year student of 3 year school, her bfs were a senior and a junior. my theory is they traded her and played with her for fun, maybe they met at a drunken party. that is key. HOW DID she first meet the senior? where? who introduced them? theories? I like having Sheila here.....DISH!DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-44945417855452787852010-04-19T12:04:17.949-04:002010-04-19T12:04:17.949-04:00"It seems pretty clear from the DA's inve..."It seems pretty clear from the DA's investigation she got involved with some older boys who then turned their older harpy girlfriends on Phoebe when the relationships ended."<br /><br />Not exactly. My theory is that they both had a little fling with her -- maybe during a fight with their girlfriends, maybe before they *had* those girlfriends. She probably wanted it to be more than they did. To them, she was just some expendable, eager-to-please sophomore they probably met at some party. Then the guys had to talk down about Phoebe to pacify their girlfriends' pride. The girlfriends' fat mean friends exacerbated the situation by stirring up the drama.<br /><br />Phoebe's crime may not have been that she hooked up with the guys, so much as that she told others about it and wouldn't conveniently just disappear afterward. She probably expected thse guys to still be friendly and kept trying to talk to them.Sheila Tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02353632937706232702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-74180700103644459302010-04-19T12:02:49.315-04:002010-04-19T12:02:49.315-04:00Sheila re: "I don't think Phoebe was any ...Sheila re: "I don't think Phoebe was any more promiscuous than the average girl at her school." FACTS WILL SHOW OTHERWISE....<br /><br /> ''It was just that she was new to the area and didn't have a clique of her own to protect her.'' NEW? SHE WAS FRESH OFF THE BOAT?<br /><br />So it was futile to try to compete. This same thing could have happened to virgin in the 1950s. GOOD POINT. WELL SAID!<br /><br />She thought that because she was pretty and nice, she'd be able to get a boyfriend. MUCH MORE THAN THIS. She thought being pretty gave her "dating market value." SHE WAS NOT INTERESTED IN ''DATING''. THIS IS DEEP. <br /><br />then again, like i said, i might be wrong. your take?DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.com