tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post2529213144713761824..comments2023-10-31T05:07:19.353-04:00Comments on Delenda est Carthago: Rape and the Poisoned Chalice of LiberalismDr. Φhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14086783503820477029noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-22079641168486389942013-09-03T20:51:01.654-04:002013-09-03T20:51:01.654-04:00It deprives young people of their sexual autonomy
...<i>It deprives young people of their sexual autonomy</i><br /><br />. . . sez the blue-eyed lothario!<br /><br />Seriously, if you assert something like "sexual autonomy", then all else follows, unprincipled exceptions be damned.Dr. Φhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14086783503820477029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-13903950171484160382013-09-02T12:28:36.663-04:002013-09-02T12:28:36.663-04:00The MOST common-sense reform would be to make BOTH...The MOST common-sense reform would be to make BOTH parties subject to prosecution. Punishing only the older person in a case of "statutory rape" makes as much sense as punishing only the buyer of illegal drugs, while letting the seller of illegal drugs go free. Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01023125641719686613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-35869881772097931592013-09-02T11:53:08.159-04:002013-09-02T11:53:08.159-04:00I think there's room for sexual liberation but...I think there's room for sexual liberation but seeing something wrong with a teacher having sex with a student 40 years her younger, and believing that it represents an inherent sexual abuse*. Where it does get more problematic is when we call it rape. It deprives young people of their sexual autonomy, which is something liberals would otherwise support and something I honestly have a difficult time denying, at least of 14 and up. (We'll see how I feel when Lain turns 14.)<br /><br />Which isn't to say that I think what happened here should be legal. I support a general loosening of these laws, but the teacher-student dynamic does, to me, represent an abuse of influence, or the significant enough of a potential for it that it's not the typical case where I would let people be.<br /><br />I, too, think that references to what occurred here should include the word "statutory" but honestly it took me about two paragraphs to figure out what was going on.<br /><br />With regard to Wapati's post, I can't actually find much to demonstrate a disparity between male sentencing and female sentencing. I thought there was, and was going to write a post about it, but I ran across a whole lot of cases where male teachers got the same sort of slap-on-the-wrist when it appeared that everything was as consensual as it could be.<br /><br />I actually looked up the case of the gym teacher from my high school who was arrested shortly after I graduated. I expected that he was sent to prison. It turns out that he was sent straight to probation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-57589997376539619962013-09-02T08:13:41.788-04:002013-09-02T08:13:41.788-04:00Seems you and I picked the same day to discuss thi...Seems you and I picked the same day <a href="http://elusivewapiti.blogspot.com/2013/09/from-montana-some-consent-sanity.html" rel="nofollow">to discuss this</a>, although I missed the all that conflating of non-rape with rape-rape going on in the MSM. <br /><br /><i>"...because we have established "consent" as the sole metric by which to evaluate sexual relations, we are left with basing our laws on a manifest lie, that minors cannot consent, not just in law, but in fact as well, when clearly they can, and do in great numbers."</i><br /><br />Interestingly, we let minors who--according to the letter of the law--could not consent to the sex that resulted in a pregnancy consent to the ending of that pregnancy. <br /><br />Somehow the act of becoming pregnant bestows all sorts of magical agency which then permits a pregnant teen to consent--and be able to fend off all that emotional duress--to abort her baby.Elusive Wapitihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825547465295622621noreply@blogger.com