tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post3187589192262065220..comments2023-10-31T05:07:19.353-04:00Comments on Delenda est Carthago: Religion, Conservatism, and Alphas (again)Dr. Φhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14086783503820477029noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-64763548495943938602007-06-20T12:01:00.000-04:002007-06-20T12:01:00.000-04:00Whiskey,How about that, we agree! I harbored the b...Whiskey,<BR/><BR/>How about that, we agree! I harbored the biggest grudge against the upper middle class because of the social environs of my high school. The people I knew from church were better, but only in comparison to my classmates. A lot of the people I knew from the area that I remember fondly actually went to our poorer rival school.trumwillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156143676616919381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-8668676187967110952007-06-18T23:51:00.000-04:002007-06-18T23:51:00.000-04:00I'll add Amanda Marcotte, of "God Bags" and other ...I'll add Amanda Marcotte, of "God Bags" and other epithets for Christians, the blogger hired-unhired-hired-fired by John Edwards is a good example of the liberal atheist woman.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-44893615218936792412007-06-18T20:15:00.000-04:002007-06-18T20:15:00.000-04:00I think the main determinant is class from which r...I think the main determinant is class from which religious perspectives and much else flows from.<BR/><BR/>Consider liberal women from middle to upper-middle class homes. Status and the competition for status is the driving determinant for those women, particularly in dating and marriage.<BR/><BR/>While less higher status women may trade off to other values, such as "agreeability" and loyalty, humor, etc.<BR/><BR/>Religious Liberal women may simply be women with relatively high status seeking to increase it, as such they will be brutal with lower status men and wish them to go away or become obviously gay.<BR/><BR/>So that they do not inadvertently block access of the Alpha Males. Particularly if the woman is lacking in extreme beauty. Even Angelina Jolie on the extreme edge of the attractiveness spectrum does not like Brad Pitt around George Clooney because she fears his influence on him (wrt cheating). Or so the gossip mags inform me.<BR/><BR/>Status chasing is an ugly game, but for those who crave it, any sacrifice seems agreeable. The beauty arms race, cosmetics, plastic surgery, fitness, diet, etc. fits into that model, as do the hatred of the beta male.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-58983319977596839602007-06-18T18:09:00.000-04:002007-06-18T18:09:00.000-04:00Well, the Episcopal Church is something of a dispa...Well, the Episcopal Church is something of a disparate group ranging from liberal to conservative. The conservatives may be liberal by Calvinist standards, but if you calibrate to American politics they're reliably Republican and are angry as all get-out about what's going on with the church leadership. Of course, I come from one of the more conservative parts of the country where most Episcopalians are such out of tradition rather than theology. I'd imagine in other parts of the countries the pews have more people that are there so that they can expressly be a part of a "liberal" church.<BR/><BR/>For the hair-pulling, teeth-gnashing perspective of an irate conservative Episcopalian, you can check out the <A HREF="http://mcj.bloghorn.com/" REL="nofollow">Midwest Conservative Journal</A>. His "The Episcopal Church: As Inclusive as Hell" shirts are pure genius.trumwillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156143676616919381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-42817431939667746442007-06-18T17:09:00.000-04:002007-06-18T17:09:00.000-04:00Trumwill: thank you for posting.I had so very few ...Trumwill: thank you for posting.<BR/><BR/>I had so very few dates among any of these four groups that it would be impossible for me to differentiate between them, so I'm using kindness and general social civility as a proxy for dating since it's the only basis I have for my ranking. While this <I>could</I> skew my results, I'm not sure how it systematically biases them.<BR/><BR/>And, um . . . as a strict Calvinist, it's not clear to me how anyone could match "Episcopalian" with "conservative"!Burkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14252946969701576139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29763791.post-27177135104115629972007-06-18T12:35:00.000-04:002007-06-18T12:35:00.000-04:00This doesn't entirely jibe with my experience. In ...This doesn't entirely jibe with my experience. In my experience conservative women in general seem to be more interested in what I'd call pecking-order-oriented criteria. My wife is somewhat conservative, but prior to her I dated far more people that voted for Ralph Nader than voted for Bush even though I've historically been surrounded by the latter. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I'm an Episcopalian and most of the people I knew from church were conservative-minded. So we might not be talking about different groups as much as labelling them such? For a little while I went to a much more liberal <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Church" REL="nofollow">new agey church</A>, but found the women there very unsnooty. To a fault, almost, bordering on completely indiscriminate.trumwillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156143676616919381noreply@blogger.com