Tuesday, June 02, 2009

When to Compromise?

Megan has two thoughtful posts on the politics and morality of abortion in the context of the Tiller murder. The posts make an interesting comparison between liberals' attitude towards the Pro-life movement and America's struggle against Islamic terrorism:

I am shocked to see so many liberals today saying that the correct response is, essentially, doubling down. Make the law more friendly to abortion! Show the fundies who's boss! You know what fixes terrorism? Bitch slap those bastards until they understand that we'll never compromise!

Well, it sure worked in Iraq. I think Afghanistan's going pretty well, too, right?

Using the political system to stomp on radicalized fringes does not seem to be very effective in getting them to eschew violence. In fact, it seems to be a very good way of getting more violence. Possibly because those fringes have often turned to violence precisely because they feel that the political process has been closed off to them.

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But like many contributors to Obsidian Wings, I can understand the structural forces that contribute to Palestinian terrorism without believing the terrorism is legitimate. Unlike them, apparently, I don't find it all that hard to transfer that understanding to the fringes of our own democratic system.

Unsurprisingly, I don't believe -- and neither does Megan, I think -- in the moral equivilance between abortion opponents, or even Tiller's killer, and the efforts by Muslims to create a global Islamic Caliphate (or whatever). But Megan is speaking pragmatically about how to reduce violent impulses, and at what cost.

Megan elsewhere implies that compromise with violence-prone adversaries does not mean compromising with the violence itself; this, she says, should be punished, and I quite agree. But this gets tricky when faced with nationalist movements. Take the Israeli-Palestinian problem, as an example. If Israelis believe that the activites of Hamas are motivated primariy by, say, a desire to secure water rights for the people they represent, then Israelis can make a reasonable cost-benefit analysis of compromise on this issue: reducing violence at the cost of granting improved access to water On the other hand, if in fact Hamas is motivated by the aspiration of exerciseing political sovereignty for its own sake -- i.e., to create a government or control an existing one -- then it necessarily becomes important for Israelis to look very carefully at what that government's territorial ambitions would look like. Political sovereignty -- political power in general -- necessarily includes the ability to exercise violence, so buying peace at the cost of granting sovereignty to your enemies only makes sense if you believe that your enemies don't have totalizing claims against you.

Liberal hyperventiliating to the contrary, Tiller's murder is almost certainly a one-off. Violence against abortionists is vanishingly rare and is in no danger of becoming a political force. Liberals know this, which is why they can afford the macho swagger Megan describes.

But let's have a thought experiment: let's suppose abortionists, and their allies in media and goverment. started dropping at the rate of American soliers in Afghanistan. Liberals would reasonably evaluate whether our abortion regime was worth the price they were paying, and whether support for the violence would drop if, say, state-level variability in abortion law were permitted.

But let's suppose that instead of asking for this, the anti-abortion guerillas asked for a territorial concession: the right to form their own government, one in which they exercise complete control. Let's further pretend that these guerillas pretty much sell this to their own supporters as a way of securing a base of operations for turther attacks against abortionists nationwide. You can see the problem that such a "compromise" poses for liberals: it is exceedingly unlikely to actually buy the social peace Liberals want.

So I do think that, absent Roe, a peaceful detente on abortion is possible. But I don't think Megan's analogy is entirely appropriate.

3 comments:

newt0311 said...

Well... Unfortunately, your analysis (and megan's) runs completely foul of the massive history collected up on the era of colonization, dictatorships in general, and the Iraq invasion.

Consider the most recent example: Iraq. When did violence reduce? When Pres. Bush initiated the Surge which was in effect a massive increase in the use of force. It was indirect force in many cases, but force nonetheless.

One of the most pernicious myths perpetuated by the liberal intelligentsia is that people must give consent to be ruled.

To take the example of extreme anti-abortionists. If the US congress did clamp down on them, not just with abortion laws, but with actual coercive force, I find it very difficult to believe that they will last for long.

I am not making a moral statement on the use of force. I am only pointing out that coercive physical force is an effective and often necessary tool of statecraft.

Burke said...

Yes, but a couple of points. First, you're describing (or I think you're describing) coercive force deployed against the violence. Whether it's Jihadis or the assassins of abortionists, sure, stepped-up security measures are likely to suppress their activities. (Although the second of these is problematic, for reasons I will address.) But Megan and I are criticising the Liberal meme that the solution to anti-abortion violence is not more law enforcement action but . . . more abortion! Megan compares this to the belief that the solution to Palestinian and Iraqi revolt against their wretchedness is . . . more immiseration! The limited point of my post was that what we face, and what Israel faces, is not just a revolt against wretchedness. But in theory, I agree with her.

And in theory, I agree with you: one way of securing the cooperation of a subject people against an insurrection is to make them fear you more than they love the insurrectionists. But this is my second point: we have reached the political limits on where this realization can take us. Just consider the convulsions we have gone through regarding what by any historical standard would be considered kid-glove treatment of Iraq and Afghanistan. For better or worse, we really don't have the option of using force in the way the Romans, or even the British, once used it routinely.

We should also keep the proper perspective about the "Surge." Broadly speaking, it wasn't just about stepped-up security. Many of the Sunni chieftains who opposed us were simply bought off. And they were predisposed to cooperation by their experience with the Taliban, something we didn't really control. So there were a lot of factors in play.

There are further considerations. I'm not sure who qualifies as an "extreme anti-abortionist", but if you mean an assassin, then here again, the Tiller murderer was a "lone gunman": he was not part of a movement, he had no accomplices, he neither asked nor received support from a community that the government can deter from providing it in the future. He was, in short, a one-off. So I'm not sure how the government "clamps down" on him.

Anonymous said...

If you want social peace on the abortion issue, you'd need to junk Roe v. Wade and radically increase the degree of federalism in the US. You'd also need for the US Government to get out of the supporting Planned Parenthood business with tax dollars and for it to stop funding foreign equivalents thereof. The degree of federalism that you need is such that people in Texas would view what happens in New York as comparable to what happens in say, London---i.e., they have to have the reasonable belief that the people of the other states aren't going to try to manipulate their internal affairs. I know a lot of pro-lifers, and I've never heard one peep about the ongoing tragedy of abortion in London.